How would these work?
For 10 EDO I know major/minor and perfect assume a chain of 720c fifths or 5 EDO and Gai and Gao would be the other chain of fifths. What's odd here is that it seems a Gai second and a Gao second would be enharmonically equal??
P1 , g2, M2/m3, g3, M3/p4, g4/g5, P5, g5/g6, M6/m7, g7/g8, P8
Is this correct?
10 EDO, 20 EDO, 25 EDO Intervals?
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Re: 10 EDO, 20 EDO, 25 EDO Intervals?
This looks like Cam's system, so I'll leave the details to him, but I don't see how a gai second could ever be the same as a gao second. Makes no sense whatsoever. Did you mean a gai second is the same as a gao third (in 10edo)? Quite possibly.William Lynch wrote:How would these work?
For 10 EDO I know major/minor and perfect assume a chain of 720c fifths or 5 EDO and Gai and Gao would be the other chain of fifths. What's odd here is that it seems a Gai second and a Gao second would be enharmonically equal??
P1 , g2, M2/m3, g3, M3/p4, g4/g5, P5, g5/g6, M6/m7, g7/g8, P8
Is this correct?
It seems like you've used lowercase "g" to stand for both gai and gao. That would be very confusing.
In a context like this, you could use uppercase G for gai, but in general it will be confused with the nominal G. In which case I suggest just spelling them in full, since they are only 3 letters, same as aug and dim.
An extreme fifth size and short chains like this really shows up the difference between Cam's system (pitch notation based) and mine (sound+symmetry based).
If, as in Cam's system, you base major/minor aug/dim on a single chain of fifths as follows:
... d4 d8 d5 m2 m6 m3 m7 P4 P1 P5 M2 M6 M3 M7 A4 A1 A5 A2 A6 A3 A7 ... then you have the following being equal in all 5n edos
m2 = P1 = 0 c
d4 = m3 = M2 = 240 c
d5 = P4 = M3 = A2 = 480 c
m6 = P5 = A4 = A3 = 720 c
d8 = m7 = M6 = A5 = 960 c
P8 = M7 = A6 = 1200 c
P9 = A8 = A7 = 1440 c
If instead you notated the pitches as a subset of 60 edo (or as a subset of 50 edo in the case of 25edo) then the names of the intervals will all change.
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Re: 10 EDO, 20 EDO, 25 EDO Intervals?
William has abbreviated a little. In 10 equal, a gai MINOR second (e.g. from D to E
) should be equal to a gao MAJOR second (e.g. from D to E
). In medium precision JI or near-just tunings, this could be equating something like 13:12 with something like 35:32.
Things get tricky if we abbreviate major and minor in some contexts, sometimes you can skip major and minor and just leave the accidental name (as in pai [minor] second, pao [major] third, etc), but not always, as sometimes it leads to confusion, as above.
10EDO could be
P1, gai 1/gai m2/gao M2, M2/m3, gai m3/gao M3, M3/p4, gai 4/gao 5, P5, gai m6/gao M6, M6/m7, gai m7/gao M7/gao 8, P8.



Things get tricky if we abbreviate major and minor in some contexts, sometimes you can skip major and minor and just leave the accidental name (as in pai [minor] second, pao [major] third, etc), but not always, as sometimes it leads to confusion, as above.
10EDO could be
P1, gai 1/gai m2/gao M2, M2/m3, gai m3/gao M3, M3/p4, gai 4/gao 5, P5, gai m6/gao M6, M6/m7, gai m7/gao M7/gao 8, P8.